Posted by: celticanglican | February 19, 2011

Full Communion with the Moravian Church

Story at The Lead

Report at ENS

I must admit that I knew very little about the Moravian Church until reading a few articles leading up to the full communion announcement. It’s certainly a group that I’m interested in learning more about, since they have an interesting heritage. (Now I finally know where the Moravian star comes from <g>)

It’s good to hear of a church that hasn’t been embroiled in a lot of doctrinal division (it seems to be all too common across denoms.) I hope that’s something that will still continue.

I saw part of the video from the service. There seem to be several similarities to the service used in TEC. I’m not sure if this was a special liturgy just for the event or if it’s representative of Moravian services.

Video Link

 

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  1. Here’s a note I sent to the rector of our local parish – to which I’ve not received a reply.

    If these Moravian Bishops are now in the Apostolic Succession and therefore competent to conduct Mass, are they in turn going to lay hands on their Moravian Pastors to make them likewise competent? If not, why would an Episcopalian feel free to communicate at their services?

    Since there were only about a dozen Moravian Bishops there being “handed”, does this mean the Bishop of NC must go round and do likewise to the Moravian clergy in NC? Likewise all Bishops in their dioceses? If not, why would anyone consider the NC Moravians conduct of communion to be valid for NC Episcopalians? And vice-versa or course.

    You see the problem – either all Moravians Bishops and Pastors are on equal footing with Episcopal Bishops and Priests or they are not…things must be in good order or the laity ends up confused – and ill-served I might add.

    That’s the problem when one goes about fooling around with orders: what is oft-times created is a spiritual and supernatural desert in which the unsuspecting parish has no valid masses, no valid absolutions, no valid ordinations/confirmations. I know baptisms are valid by anyone, but I’m making a point here. (Speaking of invalid, neither Her Grace or the Moravian Bishop laid hands on all the elements during the institution).

    (I’m friends with the local rector though I no longer attend services – I don’t use the 1979 prayer book)

    • Kelso wrote: “If these Moravian Bishops are now in the Apostolic Succession and therefore competent to conduct Mass, are they in turn going to lay hands on their Moravian Pastors to make them likewise competent? If not, why would an Episcopalian feel free to communicate at their services?”

      Interesting questions, Kelso and I’d be curious to see how it would be addressed. I’m not familiar with the Moravian line of succession. Wikipedia says there the succession is through the Waldenesians, but no citation is given.

      OT note: I wish WordPress had a decent quoting feature!

  2. The Episcopalians had best hope that no scandal breaks in the Moravian Church so as to reflect badly on them. Unlike the ac/na which had courted communion, as preposterous as that idea was, with the OCA who have now sacked their third Metropolitan in a row.

    • Hi Richard,

      Would you mind telling a little more about the situation with the OCA and AC/NA? I hadn’t heard of that particular issue before your response. Better Christian unity is good when pursued appropriately, but a current scandal or controversy can probably mean huge setbacks on both sides.


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